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| Locked-up System |
| Date: 10.06.10 13:48 (Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:48:50 -0400) |
| From: Art Peters |
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Many thanks to all who responded. This particular issue was eventually resolved. However, it seems that there may be a need for some help from Real.
First, suggestions for using a versioning system sound like good advice with low time requirements. In a way I already use a technique that is similar but required considerable time to recover. Each time I make a significant project alteration I save a dated copy of the rbp file. e.g. BillPay20100512, BillPay201000516, etc. I was able to go back several iterations to a version that would load without lock-up. I also discovered that the latest versions would load if file sharing was turned on (after replacing the OS on the 'Little' machine). Through this process it was possible to copy later version classes to the older project file. As others suspected the problem arose when the project thought a source file was located only on a remote machine. Project evolution began with a database in the project folder. It was later changed to the database resident on 'Little' as a common point. This is apparently when the project locked on to the unique database location. This action was not something that I coded. I later changed back to the database within the project folder and removed code that searched for the remote database. But, the project did not change back. I don't know if it is an OS issue, file issue, Real issue or what. I only know a bunch of hours were devoted to the issue Again, many thanks to all. Art _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Locked-up System |
| Date: 09.06.10 14:16 (Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:16:59 -0400) |
| From: Art Peters |
|
Sorry for missing the Subject.
Tim > I am currently reinstalling the 10.6.3 OS as I can't think of anything else to do. Any help would be appreciated. Running from a flash drive usually resulted in partial saves here as I'd get impatient and just pull the USB stick before the save had completed (hey, RB said it was saved...). That never occurred to me. Although I can't recall pulling the flash drive before completion. I checked out svn and think it would be much easier for me to simply work with one project folder. :( Thanks for your response. You always seem to come through. Gary Check the sharing panel on all machines. Make sure all project source files are available and not aliased. The project believes a file only exists on a remote server; the delays could be attempts to connect to a remote server that does not exist. When such a hard link to a server file discovers that the server could be the same as the local machine, an error manifests itself as meaning "Little is available on this computer, do not load this project". Did you add any files to the project, that exist on "Little" but were added from one of the other computers? I am certain this is what is happening. Also, it must be happening from within RB. Its too bad there is no way to, say, start RB with a key depressed to obtain a list of 'unlinkable' files. As it is, the project cannot even be accessed. In my case, it may just be an RB database file. I will test that theory later today. If true, I should just be able to get things working by opening a shared path to the 'Little' database file from one of the machines. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for your help. _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 09.06.10 14:29 (Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:29:11 +0200) |
| From: Markus Winter |
|
> Running from a flash drive usually resulted in partial saves here as I'd get
> impatient and just pull the USB stick before the save had completed (hey, RB > said it was saved...). It probably was. But the flash drive updates it's file directory when you eject it properly - just pulling it prevents it from updating the directory and can cause data loss _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Locked-up System |
| Date: 08.06.10 23:16 (Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:16:46 -0400) |
| From: Art Peters |
|
Hi All,
I fear that I have created a monster that I don't know how to kill. My networked system has three Macs all operating with OS 10.6.3 and Real Studio 2010r2. Because the macs are in three separate buildings, I usually retain identical project folders on each machine and keep them synched with a memory stick. So, at any time, I can work on a project from any mac. This has been working well for months. One Mac named 'Little' runs continuously, the others are powered down when not in use. Usually I start RB by double-clicking an rbp project file. RB starts and loads the project. Recently, when loading the project, a message appears just prior to the RB status bar reaching its end (loaded). The message appears to be a standard Apple message box. After shutting down the network to attempt to isolate an offending (or offended) machine, I receive on two machines: "The server 'Little' may not exist or it is unavailable at this time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network connection, and then try again." I dismiss the message box with the OK button. RB sits waiting. Ten or fifteen seconds later the message box reappears and continues reappearing ad nauseam. RB cannot be shut down - NEITHER CAN THE MAC. Rb appears to be canceling the shutdown. The only fix has been to invoke 'Force Quit' on RB2010R2. On the 'Little' machine as it nears fully loading the project I receive a message that says something like "Little is available on this computer, do not load this project." Actually, those are not the words. I did observe that in the Little apple system menu, Little is listed as a Device. This may be an error source on the Little machine, but should not (?) be a factor on the other machines. Again (?). I am currently reinstalling the 10.6.3 OS as I can't think of anything else to do. Any help would be appreciated. Art _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 12.06.10 07:38 (Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:38:11 -0400) |
| From: Andrew Keller |
|
On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Dennis Birch wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Andrew Keller <<email address removed>> wrote: > >> I use Git with REAL Studio and I also have a common library that I use in a lot of my projects. It took a while for me to fully wrap my head around Git. Then, it took quite a bit of experimentation to find the best way to use REAL Studio - and my shared library - with a version control system. > > Would you care to share some ideas on best practices? Sure. Short answer: I use the rbvcp format for both the main project and the library, and the folder that the library is on the file system corresponds with the folders in the Project Editor. That way, the library is a single self-sustaining rbvcp project, and the main project is a single self-sustaining rbvcp project, which happens to include the items from the library. Long answer: http://kellerfarm.com/life/rbvcp/ ~ Andrew Keller _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 10.06.10 14:38 (Thu, 10 Jun 2010 06:38:47 -0700) |
| From: Dennis Birch |
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| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 10.06.10 05:30 (Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:30:47 -0400) |
| From: Andrew Keller |
|
On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Dennis Birch wrote:
> From what I understand, there is something built into SVN that allows essentially aliasing files, which allows one to work with external XML files in RB such that multiple projects can share a single source file. Is there support in Mercurial or Git for this sort of thing? I realize that I could benefit from a version control system, but it's essential for me to be able to reuse components. Git, and a lot of other version control systems were written by programmers for programmers. All the functionality a programmer would need already exists. SVN has svn:externals, and Git has submodules. Both are implementations of the same thing - sharing common code. It's not really aliasing files... It's creating a clone of your shared library as a subfolder of your main project. Just like a folder can have subfolders, a repository can have subrepositories. They're just called different things in the different systems. In all cases, each project has its own copy of your common library, so modifying one of them won't break all the others. You have to explicitly tell a different project to update its copy of your common library. The idea is that if you're willing to go through the effort to do that, then you're also willing to go through the effort to fix any bugs that the update causes. I use Git with REAL Studio and I also have a common library that I use in a lot of my projects. It took a while for me to fully wrap my head around Git. Then, it took quite a bit of experimentation to find the best way to use REAL Studio - and my shared library - with a version control system. But all this time later... I would never go back. ~ Andrew Keller _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 10.06.10 04:04 (Wed, 9 Jun 2010 23:04:28 -0400) |
| From: scott |
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Hash: SHA512 with git if the file is already in git it doesnt reinsert it. Just references the existing file. Scott On Jun 9, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Dennis Birch wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Kelsey McClanahan <<email address removed>> wrote: >> Tim is right. You really need to use a version control system. I suggest Mercurial or GIT, and recommend you avoid SVN and CVS since you're not currently running any version control system. I move around 4+ separate development machines all the time (desktop at office, desktop at home, laptop, and a couple Virtual Machines) and they are always in sync. Just do a "pull" and "update" when you start your work on a machine, one or more "commit"s as you work, followed by a "push" when you're finished on the machine. It is simple, and only adds seconds to your work day. > > From what I understand, there is something built into SVN that allows > essentially aliasing files, which allows one to work with external XML > files in RB such that multiple projects can share a single source > file. Is there support in Mercurial or Git for this sort of thing? I > realize that I could benefit from a version control system, but it's > essential for me to be able to reuse components. > > _______________________________________________ > Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: > <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> > Search the archives: > <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.12 (Darwin) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJMEFY/AAoJEF51inK7SsNsNHUP/36nmZfGmqPnzCbuolZ3ObZG eXifb2CkmOJENjmndleGehuSoM+nTVFcJiPooI3FkFnA+a36MgovzEdazvqhCHoj 0F8i+zukFs7uZMOLP9MN+ZpGA2z634amovHy+l3rwnR7dvDb3TKqAjRUB2MQVGH3 zt/Y4aO78evMc3U3zlVc/xVye5gvIZi82T+VPQDfQeEiEGBTsjQOhRNfRCtwLYFI 9Hssmcr3B2gZXqyfTiht5njqji8o9lIFXjS0srLIOG06etfjXcHay7BIIptj/fya UD3kyPyp08uNaO7ggQ4NQBsO5+sy89qbXPEd4QdhVxDqYz+td+nx+rKaPZ2oQCVD oTTnkvx8jQb3GG/NsubEBz1OYdyoHE277iWZeice9z4cj09vWHdDw+QwR1Xg06tt GK2J057IWQn1xbqtrEMfKamiYvxI6wD8JwnQsWQtfgdr5SJaMmZH2t1o1ixej639 tYM6wBSVuZi+SgrPBqjqkZolK099bQY2eiOgARYL92/n07nzzZjwNH3GYbZQ9zVT WMLXILYXjHsqu4pgh4UbGMHUDo5+oa9/DH3L3aRIzOSUprodM+8YoEigits9r2DA GCRfpWVDKEFD7j4yr7SnCmGsOlgCAomfTrXM6bYyBf7Z90TL9oRl0K0oKdzMgP7e myn1g0/BvdceP8H63rQp {vC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 10.06.10 03:57 (Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:57:43 -0700) |
| From: Dennis Birch |
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| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 09.06.10 07:35 (Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:35:25 +0200) |
| From: Peter K. Stys |
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I agree with Tim. I have RB, all plugins, and all projects (including Xcode
plugin projects) on a 500 GB portable USB hard drive that I take with me and plug into whatever Mac I'm working on. Even build scripts that rely on abs paths work because the paths never change. TimeMachine has saved my bacon several times when my edits screwed things up and I had to go back a few versions. The above is a good combo that has never failed me. Doesn't help your current situation tho. P. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Tim Jones <<email address removed>> wrote: > On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Art Peters wrote: > > > I am currently reinstalling the 10.6.3 OS as I can't think of anything > else to do. Any help would be appreciated. > > One thing I learned long ago - don't edit projects from a shared filesystem > or a flash drive. Running from a flash drive usually resulted in partial > saves here as I'd get impatient and just pull the USB stick before the save > had completed (hey, RB said it was saved...). > > I urge you to consider using a versioning system such as SVN, Mercurial, or > GIT (or even just CVS). Check your changes in as you finish on one system > and then check them out to your current system. Since I started working > this way, my project versions stay in sync between systems and platforms and > the constant checkins make it easier for me to "undo" some nefarious change. > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: > <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> > Search the archives: > <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 09.06.10 04:50 (Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:50:27 -0400) |
| From: Thom McGrath |
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Ditto, version control is something that every project needs.
If you don't take this advice, another option is Dropbox. Saving your work to your dropbox means all computers always have in-sync data. I've seen the behavior you're talking about when sharing projects to other users. Seems that sometimes files get referenced using absolute paths, rather than relative paths. When using shared drives that another system cannot reach, lockups can occur. |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 09.06.10 00:17 (Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:17:39 -0700) |
| From: Kelsey McClanahan |
|
On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Tim Jones wrote: > On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Art Peters wrote: > >> I am currently reinstalling the 10.6.3 OS as I can't think of anything else to do. Any help would be appreciated. > > One thing I learned long ago - don't edit projects from a shared filesystem or a flash drive. Running from a flash drive usually resulted in partial saves here as I'd get impatient and just pull the USB stick before the save had completed (hey, RB said it was saved...). > > I urge you to consider using a versioning system such as SVN, Mercurial, or GIT (or even just CVS). Check your changes in as you finish on one system and then check them out to your current system. Since I started working this way, my project versions stay in sync between systems and platforms and the constant checkins make it easier for me to "undo" some nefarious change. > > Tim > Tim is right. You really need to use a version control system. I suggest Mercurial or GIT, and recommend you avoid SVN and CVS since you're not currently running any version control system. I move around 4+ separate development machines all the time (desktop at office, desktop at home, laptop, and a couple Virtual Machines) and they are always in sync. Just do a "pull" and "update" when you start your work on a machine, one or more "commit"s as you work, followed by a "push" when you're finished on the machine. It is simple, and only adds seconds to your work day. I personally use "hg" (Mercurial). For more info about Mercurial, check out this link to a quick and entertaining read: http://hginit.com. EVERYONE should be using version control, even if you're a solo developer on a single computer. Mercurial and Git are seamless and don't require a server when your code is on a single machine. And it doesn't require a process to be running either -- it only runs "hg" or "git" when you tell it to do something. Both are lightning fast and will save your A$$. Sorry, I know this didn't help your situation -- however it seemed like a great time for a public service announcement. ---> Kelsey McClanahan www.kmcodeoffice.com _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 09.06.10 01:16 (Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:16:25 -0400) |
| From: scott boss |
|
Personally I use git. Very easy to extend (and many people have). I
can't speak for mercurial but git uses very very little space on the drive. Since I have a laptop I replicate the git repos to to help prevent DL (data loss). And any source code that I really want to protect I also replicate to an offsite location. Places like github will host your git repo for a small nominal fee. One thing that really turned me on with git is you can work offline and make local commits that can later be replicated to the "other" repos. Not that you have to have more than one copy.. I just do since I am paranoid.. Sent from my mobile... On Jun 8, 2010, at 19:17, Kelsey McClanahan <<email address removed>> wrote: > > On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Tim Jones wrote: > >> On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Art Peters wrote: >> >>> I am currently reinstalling the 10.6.3 OS as I can't think of anything else to do. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> One thing I learned long ago - don't edit projects from a shared filesystem or a flash drive. Running from a flash drive usually resulted in partial saves here as I'd get impatient and just pull the USB stick before the save had completed (hey, RB said it was saved...). >> >> I urge you to consider using a versioning system such as SVN, Mercurial, or GIT (or even just CVS). Check your changes in as you finish on one system and then check them out to your current system. Since I started working this way, my project versions stay in sync between systems and platforms and the constant checkins make it easier for me to "undo" some nefarious change. >> >> Tim >> > Tim is right. You really need to use a version control system. I suggest Mercurial or GIT, and recommend you avoid SVN and CVS since you're not currently running any version control system. I move around 4+ separate development machines all the time (desktop at office, desktop at home, laptop, and a couple Virtual Machines) and they are always in sync. Just do a "pull" and "update" when you start your work on a machine, one or more "commit"s as you work, followed by a "push" when you're finished on the machine. It is simple, and only adds seconds to your work day. > > I personally use "hg" (Mercurial). For more info about Mercurial, check out this link to a quick and entertaining read: http://hginit.com. > > EVERYONE should be using version control, even if you're a solo developer on a single computer. Mercurial and Git are seamless and don't require a server when your code is on a single machine. And it doesn't require a process to be running either -- it only runs "hg" or "git" when you tell it to do something. Both are lightning fast and will save your A$$. > > Sorry, I know this didn't help your situation -- however it seemed like a great time for a public service announcement. > > ---> Kelsey McClanahan > www.kmcodeoffice.com > > _______________________________________________ > Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: > <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> > Search the archives: > <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 09.06.10 00:01 (Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:01:27 -0700) |
| From: M Pulis |
|
On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Art Peters wrote: > Hi All, > > I fear that I have created a monster that I don't know how to kill. > My networked system has three Macs all operating with OS 10.6.3 and > Real Studio 2010r2. > > Because the macs are in three separate buildings, I usually retain > identical project folders on each machine and keep them synched with > a memory stick. So, at any time, I can work on a project from any > mac. This has been working well for months. One Mac named 'Little' > runs continuously, the others are powered down when not in use. > > Usually I start RB by double-clicking an rbp project file. RB starts > and loads the project. Recently, when loading the project, a message > appears just prior to the RB status bar reaching its end (loaded). > The message appears to be a standard Apple message box. > > After shutting down the network to attempt to isolate an offending > (or offended) machine, I receive on two machines: > > "The server 'Little' may not exist or it is unavailable at this > time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network > connection, and then try again." I dismiss the message box with the > OK button. > > RB sits waiting. Ten or fifteen seconds later the message box > reappears and continues reappearing ad nauseam. RB cannot be shut > down - NEITHER CAN THE MAC. Rb appears to be canceling the shutdown. > The only fix has been to invoke 'Force Quit' on RB2010R2. > > On the 'Little' machine as it nears fully loading the project I > receive a message that says something like "Little is available on > this computer, do not load this project." Actually, those are not > the words. I did observe that in the Little apple system menu, > Little is listed as a Device. This may be an error source on the > Little machine, but should not (?) be a factor on the other > machines. Again (?). > > I am currently reinstalling the 10.6.3 OS as I can't think of > anything else to do. Any help would be appreciated. > > Art > Check the sharing panel on all machines. Make sure all project source files are available and not aliased. The project believes a file only exists on a remote server; the delays could be attempts to connect to a remote server that does not exist. When such a hard link to a server file discovers that the server could be the same as the local machine, an error manifests itself as meaning "Little is available on this computer, do not load this project". Did you add any files to the project, that exist on "Little" but were added from one of the other computers? my .02 gary _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
| Re: Locked-up System |
| Date: 08.06.10 23:57 (Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:57:59 -0700) |
| From: Tim Jones |
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On Jun 8, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Art Peters wrote:
> I am currently reinstalling the 10.6.3 OS as I can't think of anything else to do. Any help would be appreciated. One thing I learned long ago - don't edit projects from a shared filesystem or a flash drive. Running from a flash drive usually resulted in partial saves here as I'd get impatient and just pull the USB stick before the save had completed (hey, RB said it was saved...). I urge you to consider using a versioning system such as SVN, Mercurial, or GIT (or even just CVS). Check your changes in as you finish on one system and then check them out to your current system. Since I started working this way, my project versions stay in sync between systems and platforms and the constant checkins make it easier for me to "undo" some nefarious change. Tim _______________________________________________ Unsubscribe or switch delivery mode: <http://www.realsoftware.com/support/listmanager/> Search the archives: <http://support.realsoftware.com/listarchives/lists.html> |
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